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Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Morendie » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:34 pm

Imperial Guard/Space Marines
Fall of Cadia Formation
1850pt List
HQ: (50)
Commissar - 25
- Boltgun
Commissar - 25
-Boltgun
Troops: (425) (A Commissar in both vet Squads)
Veterans - 60
- Las Cannon HWT - 20
- x3 Meltaguns - 30
- Carapace Armor (A4+) - 15
Veterans - 60
- Las Cannon HWT - 20
- x3 Meltaguns - 30
- Carapace Armor (A4+) - 15
Tactical Squad - 70
- 5 Man
- Drop Pod - 35
Tactical Squad - 70
- 5 Man
Elites: (495)
Bullgryns - 145
- x3 Power Maul + Brute Shield - 45
Tempestus Command - 85
- Bolt Pistol - Free
- Platoon Standard - 10
- x3 Meltagun - 30
Tempestus Scions x2 - 140
- x2 Meltagun - 20
- x2 Meltagun - 20
Fast Attack: (600)
Vendetta - 170
- Side Heavy Bolters - 20
Armored Sentinal x3 - 150
- x3 Las Cannons - 30
- Augor Array - 25
Armored Sentinal x3 - 150
- x3 Las Cannons - 30
- Augor Array - 25
Heavy Support: (280)
Leman Russ Eradicator Tanks - 120
- Eradicator Nova Cannon
- Las Cannons (Front) - 10
- Heavy Flamers(Side Sponsons) - 10
Leman Russ Eradicator Tanks - 120
- Eradicator Nova Cannon
- Las Cannons (Front) - 10
- Heavy Flamers(Side Sponsons) - 10




Well thats the list I made. I made a similar list that is straight up IG. Similar but with a lot more oomph in the units, with some extra transports. I have spent the past couple days working on this. I found out some more things that initially broke this list, but it actually improved it. I changed it up, freed up some points, and made this. On top of all this, if I get lucky on rolls, if I roll a 5+ on a unit that is destroyed, it comes back into ongoing reserves, full force. Which is pretty much the whole reason I wanted to use this detachment. Other then the fact I could pretty much put whatever I wanted into this. If I wanted to make this more SM heavy I could switch stuff out for dreadnaughts, predators, terminators, honor guard, etc etc. Depending on how this list performs, I would work on bigger lists like this. Filling out the tacticals, adding in dreads, etc etc. The idea is to have a lot of solid stuff in here. Lots of anti armor, basic 5 man tacticals, which are solid, one drops down in a drop pod, I have Augor Arrays so I can deep strike with no scatter. Some solid Veterans with lots of anti armor stuff. The works. I am all for constructive feedback to improve this. I would have psykers in this list but I don't have anything other then a couple of librarians and a interrogator chaplain. Most of my IG stuff I use for my gene stealer cult, so I am still working on more inventory for IG.

If I could I would LOVE to have a knight in this list.
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Kingpin » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:02 am

For the Leman Russ I would change out the heavy flamers for Multi Meltas. You already ignore cover with you big cannon and adding Meltas gives them a little more of a duel purpose if your opponent is all meched up.
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Unorthodoxy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:47 am

I said the same thing.
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Morendie » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:38 am

If I did that I would need to clear up 20 more points. Meltas cost 20, the flamers cost 10. If all else fails I already have a lot of anti armor.
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Unorthodoxy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:29 pm

After playing against this with Dark Eldar we called it after turn 4.

The basic problem with the strategy was that the squishy stuff was concentrated on the right and the armor and troublesome stuf was to the center or left. They weren't working together and it made it easier to pare off and attack the things that were truly exposed.

The Sintinels are called that for a reason. They should stand watch, or project force forward, to shield the squishies. The other armor of Leman Russ's can take care of itself but the squishies needed AV 12 Walkers to protect them from Assaults and keep them firing every bloody round. So strategically made sure that you force the opponent to make an actual decision about what to do first. The second thing is, I would say to make use of the Deep Striking. One thing that was really clear is that the army is sort of stuck in its backfield, the way you played it here. I think you need to really put your mind to ways you can get to the opposing endzone, so to speak.

Scout Sintinels can outflank. this is very attractive.

Hell Hounds are extremely fast and can unload a bigh gob of unhappiness along with a Multimelta as it zips forward and plays distraction

Scions can Deep Strike which I really like for stripping an important foe of its life.

Ratlings are cheap but effective Linebreakers and that is many times a Maelstrom objective as well as a Secondary objective. Outflanking them makes sense, though you can infiltrate them as well.

The Taurox Prime can get you across the board at alarming speed as well.

Anywho, some thought ot mobility, whether it be speed or just deployment shenanigans would be good.
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Morendie » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:14 am

It certainly didn't help that the impression of how platoons worked was completely wrong, and my vendetta never coming in until turn 4 was quite game breaking for me. I had a whole strategy to wipe out your flyer and beasts with marines, sentinals, vendetta and my tank. So yeah..
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Unorthodoxy » Wed May 03, 2017 1:54 pm

updates?
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Re: Castellans of the Imperium Detachment 1850pts

Postby Morendie » Wed May 03, 2017 2:40 pm

The new list is a bit different, but its not complete. I am just too lazy to finish putting together a nemesis dreadknight.

Roboute Gulliman - Warlord
Grand Master Voldus - HQ
Librarian w/ Mastery level 2 - HQ

2 Units of Tempestus Scions with 2 meltaguns each
1 Vanilla 5 man Tactical Squad
1 Scouts squad with snipers and camo cloaks
2 units of 2 Armored Sentinals with Las Cannons
2 units of 1 Venerable Dreadnoughts with Twin linked Las Cannons

Then a Daemonhunter Strike force detachment, a squad of 5 grey knight terminators, and 1 Nemesis Dreadknight with Heavy psycannon and heavy incinerator.

I would probably put my voldus with the terminators, but this list comes out to 1846pts

EDIT:

But I am not really in a hurry to complete the list just because 8th is around the corner and this formation may become invalid to use. None of the units are, but this formation might.
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